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So, you’ve found yourself in a sticky situation at work. You’ve been asked to voluntarily resign, but you’re not keen on the idea. You’re wondering, “How do I make them fire me and come out on top?” Well, you’ve come to the right place. In this article, we’ll explore your options and provide you with the information you need to navigate this tricky scenario.
Understanding the Situation
Before we dive into the specifics, let’s take a moment to understand your current situation. You’ve been informed that you’re no longer a good fit for the company, but you haven’t been given a clear reason for your dismissal. On top of that, it seems like your employer is trying to coax you into resigning rather than outright firing you. It’s a frustrating and confusing position to be in, but fear not – we’re here to help.
Creating an Electronic Paper Trail
The first step in handling this situation is to create an electronic paper trail. Given the verbal nature of your recent interactions with your employer, it’s essential to document everything in writing. This will provide you with a record of the events and conversations that have taken place, which could prove invaluable in the future.
Here are some tips for creating an electronic paper trail:
– Send follow-up emails: After each conversation with your employer, send a follow-up email summarizing the discussion and confirming any key points or decisions that were made. This will serve as a written record of the exchange.
– Keep detailed records: Maintain a comprehensive log of all interactions with your employer, including dates, times, and the specifics of each discussion. Be sure to include any feedback or comments that were made regarding your performance.
– Save relevant documents: Save copies of any performance reviews, emails, or other documents that are relevant to your employment. These could be useful in supporting your position in the future.
Understanding Your Rights
It’s important to understand your rights in this situation. Depending on the circumstances, you may be entitled to certain benefits or protections. Here are a few key points to consider:
– Review your employment contract: Take a close look at your employment contract to understand the terms of your employment, including any provisions related to termination or severance pay.
– Familiarize yourself with labor laws: Research the labor laws in your area to understand your rights as an employee. This may include provisions related to wrongful termination, severance pay, and more.
– Seek legal advice: If you’re unsure about your rights or how to proceed, it may be beneficial to seek legal advice from an employment lawyer. They can help you understand your options and provide guidance on how to protect your interests.
Exploring Your Options
Now that you’ve taken steps to create a record of the situation and understand your rights, it’s time to explore your options. Here are a few potential courses of action to consider:
– Request a written explanation: Politely request a formal, written explanation for your dismissal, including the specific reasons for your termination. This can help clarify the situation and provide you with valuable information.
– Negotiate for a better outcome: If you’re not satisfied with the terms of your departure, consider negotiating with your employer for a more favorable arrangement. This could include additional severance pay, extended benefits, or a more positive reference.
– Consider your next steps: Start thinking about what you want to do next. Whether it’s pursuing a new job opportunity, taking legal action, or seeking further assistance, it’s important to plan for the future.
Moving Forward
Ultimately, the best course of action will depend on your individual circumstances and the specifics of your situation. By taking proactive steps to document the events and understand your rights, you can position yourself to make informed decisions and protect your interests.
In conclusion, being asked to voluntarily resign can be a challenging and confusing experience. However, with the right approach and a clear understanding of your rights, you can navigate this situation with confidence. Remember to create an electronic paper trail, seek legal advice if needed, and explore your options for moving forward. With the proper preparation and knowledge, you can come out on top, even in a difficult situation like this.
So, take a deep breath, gather your thoughts, and start laying the groundwork for a positive outcome. You’ve got this!👍
Don’t give them notice. Make them give you a firm you’re fired.
Yes, they are trying to get you to resign so they won’t be liable for unemployment. Just don’t resign.
I would assume they want you to give two weeks so they can use it to say you quit if you try to claim unemployment. Do not give them a date.
Check your local unemployment laws and request severance for the amount of time it takes to process an unemployment claim because where I am it takes 2+ months to resolve. Some places will still give you unemployment if you’re officially laid off so give them a call and see if being asked to resign is part of that.
They’re even nicer when they don’t have to pay you severance and think they’ll get out of paying unemployment.
If you give a two week notice date you are resigning. If they fire you they give you a termination date. Check you state laws regarding unemployment as you may need it while looking for work.
Don’t resign. They don’t want to have to pay you unemployment. Make them fire you.
Check your local laws to see if you qualify for unemployment and how long it would take to sign up.
Don’t resign or sign a resignation, and let them tell you your last day. Start your job search immediately. They may not pay you any severance, but you’ll be able to collect unemployment if you don’t find something right away. If you do find a job before they let you go, that’s the time me to give your two weeks notice (if you want).
Email her: “i appreciate the advance notice that i am being let go at the end of January 2024. In response to the question if i would like to leave before then, i will be working as long as you allow me to. Have a good weekend, me” or whatever but get that convo on the record and continue to say you will work as long as they will let you if the conversation gets brought up again
In most states you can still get unemployment if you involuntarily resign – ie, “either resign or you’re fired”.
They’re asking you to quit, yes. But the boss is too cowardly to say as much.
A pretend PIP that you had no way to win is effectively layoff. I mean your boss said it, “they’d provide you a reference”.
Layoffs are bad for moral and a firing can be blamed on a person. Resigning (not counting finding a new job, retiring) only really happens when you’re an important person at the company and you’d better get a nice severance or you might as well get fired.
Shoot, I was recently fired, because it’s bad for moral to be laid off, but the writing was on the wall in a very similar way. It’s actually a really easy sell as to what happened too. I’m not what they needed right now and it’s just money and I get it.
You don’t give two weeks. Work till they show you the door
You can’t apply for unemployment till you are not working
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Just ignore the conversations until they actually give you the paper that says you are fired.
Yes, I’d like to start my 2 weeks notice on January 15, 2034.
Might be a typo, might not.
You need to ask them for an official letter of termination. Say “thank your for the advance notice and I await a formal letter of termination”
Email goes CC’s all them and BCC’ your personal email, “As per our conversation I will be awaiting your acknowledgement and email in regards to when you will determine my final day. With that said, I will continue until i receive confirmation from you.” Since its verbal its hearsay, but if you strike first this email is documentation saying what/how you understood the conversation and leaves a paper trail to force them to drop the hammer.
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With that said, there are a few options they will have to think about 1) letting you go and being liable for unemployment “if this is an at will state” 2) they give you severance in the form of that month and have you sign an NDA. Why they will do this is because they will want to protect themselves from wrongful termination.
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At this point, you’re in a position for them to have to PAY YOU TO LEAVE since you explicitly state that you aren’t going to voluntarily resign but be told when they determine your last day. The problem with you manager is that they didn’t send an email circling about the conversation. I’d do that first before they do it. Like asap.
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I’ve done this in the past and it really threw a wrench in their sneaky little plan. Knowing your rights is the first step
Tell her your last day will be Jan 31st 2028. Then you can make a deal and say you’ll do their whole resignation thing but you want a better severance. Like 4 months pay.
Top 3 comments gave the info you need. Good luck.
Don’t volunteer. Don’t sign anything that even looks like a resignation letter.
“I don’t mind you firing me, but I am going to need that in writing”
Definitely don’t resign, but be prepared for things to move quickly. It is common in my workplace for people to be asked to leave that day, even if they hand in notice. The company would rather pay them and have them out of the office than still there.
Just say “no. You’ll have to fire me. I’m not just going to quit.” and go back to work.
So I once had a conversation with my boss where he told me I was not performing to the extent he expected me and as such he wanted me to resign
The only thing I told him is that if he is unhappy with what I am doing he has every right to address that. Other than that I would not be quitting
Don’t sign anything. It truly sounds like they’re trying to trick you into resigning and will use your “notice” as proof to get out of paying unemployment benefits. If you’re fired then they can tell you when you’re finished working. Not sure what state you’re in but in California if you’re fired they have to give you owed wages like right away. Start looking for a job right away though!
I worked for a nonprofit that tried something similar with me, basically trying to get me to voluntarily resign for the offer of a reference. I declined and collected unemployment, which they tried to fight, and eventually got a new job without need of that reference.
Here’s what I’d say – they probably don’t have much of a budget. Only you know if unemployment in your state is worth the hassle. If it’s not, get all the severance you can. For example: if they want a “voluntary resignation”, that will cost them 3 months’ severance.
don’t give them a voluntary resignation on their terms – only on yours, and only if you decide unemployment isn’t worth it
“I am not resigning”
Don’t put in any notice and don’t quit unless you find a new job. Make them let you go or fire you so you can get unemployment.
Yes, paper trail! And if she tries to dodge it by going verbal just straight up decline and redirect to email. You need to have her clarify in writing.
Just ignore her, until she fires you. She’s played her hand and shown that she is willing to screw you over. Now you know.
George Costanza time. Just keep going to work. Each and every day. Act like nothing is wrong.
DO NOT QUIT. 🛑
**Document Everything:**
– Keep a detailed record of conversations, including dates, times, and what was discussed.
– Summarize the statements made by your superiors and note any inconsistencies.
**Email Confirmation:**
– Send a follow-up email to the president, politely summarizing the conversation and seeking clarification on your employment status, last day, and any terms discussed.
**Request Clarification:**
– Politely seek clarification on the reasons for termination, especially if they conflict with previous performance reviews.
**Consult Employment Policies:**
– Review your company’s policies on termination, resignation, and severance to understand your rights and obligations.
**Seek Legal Counsel:**
– Contact an employment attorney to discuss your situation, providing them with the documented evidence.
**Consider Options:**
– Explore your legal options based on the attorney’s advice, including negotiating a fair severance package if appropriate.
**Respond Professionally:**
– Based on legal advice, respond professionally to your employer, clearly expressing your understanding and position.
Again, do NOT quit.
I would send an email that just says hello this email is to confirm our discussion the other day.
I have thought about your request and I feel that it is not in my best interest to resign. If you would like to end my employment here at xxx then the ball is in your court. That is unfortunate because I do enjoy working here and hope that we can instead come to an agreement to that end.
Sincerely,
Xxx
They don’t want to pay you unemployment. Just wait for them to fire you. Don’t quit.
Yeah just tell them to fire you. This isn’t a good economy to be out of work with no unemployment
Make them fire you. Ensure that they give specific reasons. Not generalized BS.
Everything in writing. Official email. Send.
I will not be resigning and continue to work my shift until I recieve notice .
No communication in person or phone.
Talk to an employment lawyer, there is a great online service called Just Ask, for $46 you can get help with any manner of legal advice. Know your rights and how best to navigate your termination for your best possible outcome
Send them an email summarizing the meeting you had. State that you want to continue working there. BCC your private email.
Nope. Assuming you are American, this will cheat you out of your deserved unemployment. They are trying to cheat you out of it. I went through something similar. Get EVERYTHING in writing. One of the most important things I did after I was “laid off” was follow up with HR by email to “clarify”. Make sure to get in writing that they are asking you to quit and why. Make sure you get in there that they are pushing you out but putting it on you. Make it clear you are happy at work and they seem satisfied with your work so what’s up? Reiterate you’ve never received negative feedback, write-ups, etc. Include examples and recap your meeting by writing. But keep it as casual and friendly as possible. All you want here is easy documentation for the Unemployment Department. MAKE THEM LAY YOU OFF/FIRE YOU FOR NO CAUSE.
Also: immediately forward all work account emails to personal email account. Particularly anything praising your work, etc. Request current copies of reviews, employee files, etc if you can. Don’t sign any write ups or agree to anything.
Paper trails are your friend. Hopefully this will all be easy, and you can get deserved unemployment while you find a better job.
“You’ll need to provide the documentation stating my exact termination date.”
You can call the unemployment office now and get their take on this. They are firing you and trying to avoid it being a “firing” so they can save on unemployment insurance increase. I actually dealt with this and just told them to just fire me because I wasn’t going to quit. They went to legal and then came back and fired me.
You are being fired don’t mistake it.