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Hey everyone! 🌟 So, I recently received a job offer that has me feeling a bit conflicted. The company and role excite me, but the compensation and lack of flexibility are major concerns.
Here’s the scoop:
– The offer is for $52,000, which is a bit lower than what I was hoping for.
– The lack of flexibility in terms of work hours and PTO is a big sticking point for me.
– The benefits are decent, but the overall package doesn’t quite align with my needs and expectations.
I’m really keen on this opportunity and believe I can add significant value to the company. However, I want to negotiate for a better deal without coming off as too demanding.
Here’s what I’m thinking of addressing in my negotiation:
– Requesting increased PTO from the get-go.
– Seeking some flexibility in terms of work hours or the option for remote work days.
– Suggesting a more flexible arrangement for the probationary period to ensure a good fit for both parties.
Any seasoned negotiators out there willing to share some tips or insights? I would appreciate any advice or suggestions you might have! Thanks in advance! 🙌
My potential solution:
– Emphasize the value I can bring to the company beyond just the job description.
– Highlight my experience and how it makes me uniquely qualified for a more senior role.
– Present a well-thought-out case for why the current offer doesn’t quite align with my expectations and how a few adjustments could make it a win-win for both parties.
I would just ask delicately if there is flexibility to any of the benefits/PTO and 40 hours in the office policy. Frankly, none of this should have been a surprise and should have been outlined or discussed in conversations prior to an actual offer. Unless you already set expectations about what you are looking for in these areas, you might be surprising them and that could strain the relationship.
I feel like you’re starting at my old job where I had the same lackluster benefits. The increased flexibility will probably be the easiest thing to swing for. What they’re offering in base salary is a lot higher than their original number, so I could see them saying “forget it, we’ll go with someone less experienced and cheaper.” I’m not saying you don’t deserve more or that you shouldn’t negotiate, but that’s the exact mindset the owner of my last job would’ve had.
How do you see the probationary period benefiting you? If you go part-time I imagine they’ll cut your salary. Are you still going to be freelancing?
take what u are given and be gratetful. dont rock the boat
The offer depressed me. The pay is low, there is like nothing I see here impressive and the company doesn’t value their human talent. Ask for a lot more PTO and flexibility.
Read the PTO carefully, you get 10 days after two years. So you will work 2 years without any vacation days. That would be a no-go for me.
I mean they must have some really great marketing and branding for you to be so excited to be part of their team. And to still consider to join despite what in reality is a bad offer.
Obviously I don’t know the details but I’m not seeing why you would go for this at this stage in your career
I have negotiated for more PTO with shorter wait times to use it – I just presented it as a value add due to experience and as a way to “even out” market salary insufficiency. I have also gotten the 90 wait on insurance benefits down to 30 days. For flexibility, present a framework. Do you mean some days will be 10-6 and others regular 8-5? You have to tell them what you considering to have a jumping off point for negotiations.
I would not do a 1099 for the probationary as that may screw up insurance requirements, etc. as 1099 is not a taxed employee.
You don’t know if they will go for it unless you ask.
$52k and no PTO for a professional with 12 YOE isn’t something worth getting excited over. My nanny got more than that last year. That’s not a serious offer from a serious company, and I wouldn’t be surprised at all if your expectations regarding their growth (and your compensation along with it) go unmet.
So first when you try to negotiate wfh I’d say no go. But the offer is BS, the benefits are terrible.
I’d offer to freelance on your own terms for them at a rate that’s acceptable to you. No reason to be an employee with those awful benefits. You won’t be able to afford health insurance or pay your bills.
Welcome to the corporate world. HR will not negotiate on any of those things except the salary. Their answer will be “we can’t make an exception because everyone will want it”.
If you value your freedom stay with your current gig.
I would reach out to the hiring manager and have a conversation vs a negotiation. Explain what you like about the company and opportunity and then ask why the itemized offer with some clarifications. Once you understand all that, you can come back with a counter offer.
It sounds like they still stuck you into that entry level job, they probably think they got a pro for entry level pay.
I’m thinking it’s time you change fields. One year out of nursing I was making over 100 with better benefits that I consider to be bad to begin with.
Why are you so excited about the opportunity? It’s just a job. A low paying job. Higher scope = higher pay. So either the scope is low and you’re being misled on the opportunity or it’s a bad opportunity and you’re about to be worked to death for pennies.
I guess it also depends on your experience. Maybe this is better than what you have, idk.
Salary, pto, benefit costs are all abysmal.. there is no good part of this offer at all
Brother I dont mean this badly at all Im NOT a professional, I’m in sales in a trade environment and they offered me 60k 100% match up to 6%, and 3 weeks off per year as BASE as an asst Manager.
This screams as a bad deal for someone with actual skill.
Be careful – I think it’s a pretty slippery slope to assume they will even alot you the resources you’d need to help them in any significant way with the way this offer reads
Pretty garbage proposal all around and I’d reconsider if I wanted to work here – maybe look up some of there competitors and start there to see if they have any openings like this one you can apply for
Say no to this offer and tell them why, professionally. In the future, it’s unlikely you can negotiate a handful of refular benefits as they are applied company wide or by employee type, region, etc. But in negotiating compensation, what works the best and we have a lot of respect for is being clear about your terms. Like, “I would accept this offer at this rate with this equity/bonus option, etc.” Tell them what is true for you. You can also say, “I believe my contributions are better compensated by a salary of xx.” Keep in mind that not all employers treat folks who negotiated to get the right compensation the same as folks who didn’t. It can be handled poorly with future increases, etc.
Don’t get swayed by potential. All
You know is what is, and imho that offer looks horrible.
As someone that escaped the forced 40+ hrs chained to a desk, with little to no time off, to a place that values my work and tells me to NOT apologize for getting sick, don’t do it bro.
Pay cut, chained to a desk, in office, no flexibility, no 401k match, no pto? Run.
The replies are somewhat on point, however the missing parts are the potential of the company. I once (2011) took a role in a 2 year old startup. I saw the potential and really liked the owner and his vision. I saw the potential and literally left an 75k year job to make $14/hr with the conversation of moving up quickly over a year or so to possibly run the business. I had the experience he just didn’t have the profitability yet to pay me. Fast forward 2 years, I was the GM pulling well over 100k a year with salary and bonus. 5 years in company had grown from a few hundred thousand in sales to nearly 20M in annual sales. Bonuses were huge, life was good. He sold the business, cashed out and gave very generous payouts to some of key employee’s. I stayed on with a six figure income for a couple of years then parted ways. Point of the post, if the ownership and the vision is there and you believe in the company, sometimes a leap of faith is needed.
Every job offer is an opportunity for negotiation even if it fails. You sound energetic and competent. I understand the company is keen on contractors and consultants- perhaps pitch them on some milestone achievements with compensation for each? For example:
– summarize and evaluate current marketing strategy within first 30 days.
– solicit feedback on the current product offerings and marketing strategy from internal and external stakeholders and issue updated marketing strategy by day 75.
– propose new marketing initiatives by day 90.
– if all milestones achieved on time then receive “x”. “X” can be a bonus, a raise, or other benefits such as accelerated PTO. You can and should have longer term goals.
The upside with this is that you get some clarity on your role along with clear rewards for achievement. The upside for your employer is that they only have to pay if you achieve. The downside is if you don’t achieve you have a problem.
This offer is fucking terrible. You should physically go there and laugh in their faces.
From my perspective, every single one of their benefits is unacceptable for a seasoned professional. An organization that values their employees would do better than this.
So they made you an offer. Make them a counter-offer. If the sticking point is flexibility (or whatever) let them know. If they’re in need, they’ll negotiate. Only mention one point; if you get a feeler, ask more questions.
>I believe that if I do my job well, I can help them grow significantly.
Need to also consider they may not give freedom to do your job as you see fit. They wanted an inexperienced hire, probably who would be expected to do whatever exec team wanted without collaboration from you. They won’t see you a chief marketing officer, but a worker bee.
Unless you need a job, I’d turn them down without further discussion. They don’t value your skills and experience