#DraftDebate: Why are men in the U.S still required to be drafted into the military?
Hey there, folks! So, I was doing some thinking the other day about the draft and how it only applies to men in the U.S. It got me wondering, why is it that only men are required to register for the draft while women are exempt? 🤔
I mean, come on, we’re all in this together, right? Shouldn’t we all have the same responsibilities when it comes to serving our country in times of need? 🇺🇸
It’s kind of strange to think that in this day and age, there are still laws in place that only affect one gender. Aren’t we supposed to be striving for equality?
So, let’s discuss! Why does the draft still exist in its current form? And why haven’t we expanded it to include women as well? Let’s hear your thoughts and take this conversation further! 💬 #GenderEquality #DraftDebate #EqualityForAll
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Typically laws remain laws until they are repealed or a new law replaces it.
i’m not a fan of the draft at all, and if only half have to deal with it, thats better than everyone i guess… thats just my two cents anyways.
>Why does the draft still exist?
Because it’s never been repealed.
>Why are there still laws that only harm one gender when we are supposed to be equal?
It doesn’t “harm” anyone.
>And if the draft still needs to exist, why don’t women have to register for it too?
As a generalization, people who are AMAB are physically stronger, and also are unencumbered by periods and the cramps and sickness and bleeding that can accompany them.
>Men are not expendable relative to women, our lives matter equal to them.
For the purposes of reproduction and continuing the population of our country, we kind of are. A single man can impregnate basically as many women as he can encounter so losing a large percentage of the male population would be least impactful to future generations.
>We are humans too and deserve the same legal rights as any human
No one said we’re subhuman, just that if there’s both a war and a shortage of soldiers, we are most expendable.
You only have to register for the draft. We are not drafting women to be bullet sponges, which is what you are if you’re drafted, a bullet catcher so the USA wins the war.
The draft hasn’t been used in 50 years. Back then, women weren’t allowed to be in the military equally to men. They were only allowed in very few roles so it was viewed as unfair and unconstitutional to include them in the draft.
Now, the draft isn’t used and the requirement to sign up for the draft is outdated but since we haven’t used it in 50 years, I assume it’s just not on the list of priorities.
IDK if this is the reason but if you send all your men and woman to war there will be far fewer woman, who have babies and “repopulate” the country. When a woman is pregnant she can only make one baby a year essentially. The less woman you have the less potential babies you can have per year. Where as a man can theoretically take part in making multiple babies a year. (i.e. multiple baby mommas). So it is far worse to lose a lot of your woman than to lose a lot of your men. I don’t know how much this applies any more but I feel that might have been the basis of the idea.
The Democrats have tried numerous times to pass legislation for women to also register for selective service but it was squashed by Republicans every time.
In February 2019, a challenge to the Military Selective Service Act, which provides for the male-only draft, by the National Coalition for Men, was deemed unconstitutional by Judge Gray H. Miller in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas. Miller’s opinion was based on the Supreme Court’s past argument in Rostker v. Goldberg (1981) which had found the male-only draft constitutional because the military then did not allow women to serve. As the Department of Defense has since lifted most restrictions on women in the military, Miller ruled that the justifications no longer apply, and thus the act requiring only men to register would now be considered unconstitutional under the Equal Protection Clause. The government appealed this decision to the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. Oral arguments on the appeal were heard on 3 March 2020. The District Court decision was reversed by the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. A petition for review was declined by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Men actually are more expendable than women.
Imagine 100 men and 100 women on an island.
Now kill off 99 of the men but keep all 100 of the women. With just one man, humanity can continue.
Kill off 99 of the women and keep all 100 men, humanity will likely cease to exist.
On a fundamental level, women have more intrinsic value, and men are disposable, from a biological perspective.
They are only required to be drafted in a time of war when their numbers are way too low. There is no cold to draft unless we are fighting forces that overwhelm our own
Why are you afraid to ask this.
I agree, it’s ridiculous, and should be repealed.
If I lived in the US I would be fighting this law, along with other imbalances based on gender.
I suggest you write to your government representative and try to get it sorted.
I suspect it’ll be lower down the list than other priorities given the draft hasn’t been used in decades, but there’s nothing stopping you campaigning against it and I’m sure millions of people (both men and women) will agree with you.
I feel the argument that women hold more intrinsic value than man and men being disposable a barbaric and animalistic view (in regard to a society). With humans as advanced as we argue we are, we really don’t think past our biological roots.
Honestly, the idea that countries are as important to justify killing off half its populace is bizarre when it’s quite possible for people, if they wanted, to win a war and kill the women too. Why not if those women can, in bread crumbs, sow the idea of rebellion into their children? Not all but it only needs one in the right time and place.
It’s only due to horniness that we don’t want to admit that is the cause for people to not want women going off to war.
To the best of my knowledge no one has been drafted in the US in like 50 years, so they aren’t? You’re still required to register AFAIK, but I’ve been registered for 30 years and haven’t heard a peep.
If there is ever another catastrophic war that entails a full on draft, I suspect women will be included next time around. That law could change virtually overnight if the stakes were high enough, but as someone pointed out, it’s just not on the priority list right now and would probably be unpopular.
Because the Selective Service system was initially created over 100 years ago and has not been updated in over 40 years. While military codes and social acceptance have changed.
The last update to the Selective Service was the 1985 Thurman Amendment. This requires all men who apply for federal employment to be registered for the selective service. While the ban on women to serve in combat roles wasn’t lifted until 2016.
Since the ban on women has been lifted, the law has not been updated. There is nothing preventing women from being drafted besides the law not being updated to say ” all people” instead of “all men”. It’s a simple fix but one with no real political backing to do so.
Because unlike most militaries. Ours is professional and well funded. There’s a reason we done have healthcare. The United States is very much a survival of the fittest country. We made war into a serviceable commodity. We sell our services to the highest bidder. Always have. Always will. We only take those who want to go because they saw what happened in Nam and Korea.
But there will be a time when shit hits the fan. And it’s all hands on deck. This is what the draft is for. The United States is like ancient greece. Multiple city states ready to fuck up anyone who messes with the bigger picture or status quo.
The only way to get rid of us is to nuke us off the map. Even that wouldn’t work anymore.
Why not more females? Because nature still exists. They are the only ones who can make babies. It would be stupid for a country to send in half the species that can replace the other half. (Not say people shouldn’t have a choice) but from a economic and logistical standpoint. Males cant get pregnant.
Men don’t want women in the military.
Possibly out-dated thinking. I fought the same argument as a woman and was told my lack of strength, etc would make me a liability more than an asset.
If the draft is ever activated it is WW3. It would take months for the military to adapt
I’ve mainly heard male service members saying that women are simply physically unfit to fight in war.
I have no idea if this is accurate or not, but I have heard them say that women simply lack the strength to even carry all the equipment necessary for days at a time like men can. I’ve heard them say things like women get periods or vaginal infections easily, which can present a problem when they don’t have access to showers after wading through swamp water. I’ve heard them say that women cause sexual tension or sexual friction between service members, which causes all sorts of problems.
These are just things I’ve heard, and it seems the military itself is the most active opponent of having women serving front lines.
There’s a history behind this.
Registering for selective service was a requirement for voting. One of the main reasons people were against women’s suffrage was that the vote was tied to the draft and women were considered unfit for the military since they wouldn’t meet the strength or endurance requirements.
Instead, women were given the privilege to vote without the responsibility, but men still risk getting drafted when warmongers are voted in.
….it’s sort of like paying tax on land you own. You don’t own the land any more than you own your body.
The draft *doesn’t* exist here, dude. It ended in 1973. You are confusing the *Selective Service* system with the draft. Selective Service system is simply a list with a protocol for choosing people to be drafted in a fair and equitable manner. The military switched to 100% volunteer over half a century ago, and is not at all interested in conscription. The training pipeline for conscripts is run completely differently from the way volunteer training is, so it’s not as simple as saying “OK now give us unwilling conscripts starting next Tuesday”.
The reason Selective Service still exists is a combination of 1) old asshole (mostly Republican) politicians who think the kids today are soft and a year of forced military service would toughen them up, so they want SS there to implement their idiotic idea if somehow the rest of government suddenly decides Old Man Yells at Cloud is the new strategy; or 2) slightly less old but still old (mostly Democrat) politicians who want to keep SS around so they can use a potential draft as a credible threat to their constituency (“those Republicans will draft you to fight in Iraq!”) or as a grandstanding prop for stupid suggestions like “let’s draft all the kids of everyone who voted for this war!”
TL;DR – there is no draft, just a vestigial draft selection system that shit bag politicians keep around as a political conversation piece.
Because men are better at fighting physically and mentally in war???
Is there a country where it’s not the case?
There are a great many laws in the US that were written long before gender or racial equality became a thing. Many are still in effect. Laws do not change unless legislation repeals or amends them.
Have to register only
TIL that the US requires anyone (male or female) to be registered to be drafted. I can understand the rationale, but as a Canadian, that is something I was unaware the States did. To the best of knowledge, Canada does not. I’m in my 30s (and male btw) and I never had to register unless it was done for me automatically without me realizing.
They aren’t required to be drafted, just to register for the selective service to possibly be drafted if a draft were instituted again. If such a situation arises, the law would likely be amended to include women as well.
Because woke ideology isn’t real
Are you basing this odd what happened in Vietnam Nam? I’d say you have no idea who would be required as we haven’t had a draft in 50 years. It’s quite likely all people of age would now be required to register
Mainly because no one really expects there to ever be a draft in the US again. Congress ended the military draft in 1973, but kept the requirement for selective service registration in the event the military draft was reinstituted.
After 1973, the military began recruiting. Recruiting brought a better quality of soldiers into the Armed Forces. Why would they want to go back to randos who can’t hit a bullet with a barn?
Additionally, how often and how many men have marched as a group to end mandatory selective service registration?