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Have you ever wondered why plane propellers are positioned in the front of the plane while boat propellers are located at the back of the boat? 🤔 It’s a common question that has left many people scratching their heads. But fear not, we’re here to shed some light on this interesting topic!
##The Basics of Propulsion
To understand why these different modes of transportation have their propellers placed in different locations, let’s first take a closer look at the basics of propulsion in both planes and boats.
###Airplane Propulsion
– Airplanes rely on forward motion and the principle of lift to stay airborne.
– The propellers in the front of the plane help pull the aircraft through the air.
– This forward motion creates lift, allowing the plane to take off and maintain flight.
###Boat Propulsion
– Boats, on the other hand, rely on water resistance and thrust to move through the water.
– The propeller at the back of the boat moves water behind the boat, propelling it forward.
##Understanding Aerodynamics
The difference in the placement of propellers on planes and boats ultimately comes down to the principles of aerodynamics and hydrodynamics. Let’s delve deeper into the reasoning behind this.
###Aerodynamics
– Airplane propellers are placed in the front to create the necessary forward motion for lift.
– Placing the propellers in the front also helps reduce drag and improve fuel efficiency.
– The airflow over the wings and across the fuselage is optimized when the propellers are in the front, allowing for smooth and efficient flight.
###Hydrodynamics
– Boat propellers are located at the back to push water behind the boat and propel it forward.
– Placing the propeller at the back helps create a smooth flow of water around the hull of the boat, reducing resistance and increasing speed.
##The Role of Control and Stability
In addition to propulsion and aerodynamics, the position of propellers also plays a crucial role in controlling and stabilizing the vehicle.
###Airplane Control
– Placing the propellers in the front allows for easier control and maneuverability of the aircraft.
– The position of the propellers helps in maintaining stability during takeoff, landing, and in-flight operations.
###Boat Control
– Placing the propeller at the back of the boat helps in steering and controlling the direction of the vessel.
– The location of the propeller also contributes to the overall stability and control of the boat in varying water conditions.
##The Impact of Engineering and Design
The placement of propellers is also influenced by the specific engineering and design requirements of planes and boats.
###Aircraft Engineering
– Aircraft design is focused on achieving optimal aerodynamics and lift.
– Placing the propellers in the front is a strategic choice to enhance performance and efficiency.
###Boat Design
– Boat design revolves around hydrodynamics and stability in water.
– Placing the propeller at the back is a design choice that aligns with the principles of water resistance and propulsion.
##The Future of Propulsion
As technology continues to advance, new propulsion systems and designs are constantly being developed for both planes and boats. The future of propulsion holds exciting possibilities that could blur the lines between traditional placement of propellers in the front or back.
##In Conclusion
The difference in the placement of propellers on planes and boats is a result of the unique principles of aerodynamics and hydrodynamics that govern these modes of transportation. The positioning of propellers also plays a crucial role in control, stability, and overall performance. Understanding the reasoning behind the placement of propellers provides valuable insight into the engineering and design considerations in the world of aviation and marine technology.
Edit: thank you for all the great explanations, links, and videos everyone! I’ve learned a ton today!
By diving into the details of aerodynamics, hydrodynamics, and engineering considerations, it becomes clear why propellers are strategically placed in different locations for planes and boats. Whether it’s soaring through the sky or cruising on the water, propellers are fundamental to the propulsion and performance of these vehicles. 🛩⛵️
Because while boat props just push the boat through the water, airplane propellers not only push the plane forward but also create lift by forcing air over the wings. That having been said, there *are* rear prop planes that are just less common.
Boats are also more likely to come into contact with miscellaneous materials or creatures in the water than planes are in the air and putting their props in the back let the hull clear a lot of that out of the way. Finally, a boat’s prop being near its rudder allows its steering to be more effective for similar reasons to why locating planes’ props on the front of their wings generates slightly more effective lift.
Editing to add the ELI5 major factor in the location of props and the engines that drive them and most of the comments are pointing out: **Balance.** Hydrodynamics, especially on the surface are very different from aerodynamics. A boat benefits from pitching back a certain amount in the water and so the weight and thrust are often best located toward the back. An airplane needs to delicately maintain very close to perfect balance in the air and so their fuel and engines are most efficiently located the wings. Thanks everybody!
The ELI5 is that airplanes can fly, boats can not. The propeller is the engine + wheels, and it’s what drives the vehicle. So for a boat, it pushes against more stable ground (the water), and for a plane, it “pushes against” the air.
some planes do have the props behind, it really doesnt matter to them. the front is better since it pushes air over the wings even if the plane isnt moving, so the control surfaces still work (ish)
Boats though, have the engine in the back since, when they go fast, the front end rises out of the water. Its basically pushed out by the fast “moving” water. If the engine was on the front it would stop working, but since its on the rear it keeps working.
There are advantages to having the propeller flow the fluid/gas over the control surfaces. On a plane, the propellers add flow over the wings creating extra lift, in a boat they often flow water over the rudder improving directional control. Also, some boats have steerable propellers.
Boat engines are water cooled and thus can be placed anywhere convenient. The stern is generally better than the bow because that way you’re not sitting in the exhaust and noise. It’s not uncommon to see trolling motors mounted on the front, as they don’t have exhaust and locating them there makes them easy to operate by hand.
In contrast, aero engines are (today at least) universally air cooled and/or turbines, both of which desire large volumes of clean airflow. The best place to get that is on the front of the plane or the front of the wings.
It is certainly possible to make pusher prop planes, as the B-36 or Long EZ demonstrates. But generally this is more difficult as it gets more turbulent airflow and you need to design to that. Using a puller prop also leads to some issues as the now high-speed rotating air interacts with the rest of the plane, but after a century of trying we know how to deal with those issues.
There are also design constraints that apply to planes that don’t with boats. For instance, the BD-5 had a pusher that was located above the bulk of the fuselage. If you increased the throttle it would push the nose down.
If you are coming into land and you notice you are a little low, you want to add power to flatten out the path. So you increase throttle and… the nose is jammed into the dirt. The first three completed all killed their pilots on their first landings.
In contrast, in a Cessna the engine is slightly above the fuselage midline, deliberately, and on the front. So increasing the throttle pulls the nose up – which is precisely what you want.
You can design this out too, say by putting a pusher prop lower than the fuselage, but again, it’s just more work and things to consider.
There’s a number of reasons why these configurations are better:
* For a ship, a rear-mounted prop is better protected from damage because if the ship hits something like ice, a buoy or runs aground, it’s not the fragile prop that makes contact.
* The rudder is much more effective if it’s rear mounted and it can redirect the fast-moving water from the prop.
* For a plane, a front-mounted engine is much easier to cool.
* Ice that forms on the fuselage and breaks off during flight can’t hit a front-mounted prop.
* Fast-moving air from front-mounted props help the wings produce lift.
* When the nose of the plane is high during takeoff and landing, a rear mounted prop is more likely to hit the ground.
* The tail of a plane contains a lot of important flight control surfaces and systems in a small area. A severe engine or prop failure could damage them and make the plane unflyable. This also used to be a problem with tri-jets that had a tail-mounted third engine.
A rear prop on a plane is subject to FOD. Anything kicked up by the wheels on a runway gets sucked right into the prop. Whoopsie.
Boats have the propeller near the rudder so the boat can steer at low speeds. The rudder is in back because you want the back to get pushed away from the direction you’re moving if the boat is moving sideways. When the propellers can steer, they can be placed elsewhere, it’s not uncommon for trolling motors or azipods to be placed at the bow.
Aircraft usually have the propeller in front because it makes the engine easier to access for maintenance, and the propeller is slightly more efficient if it’s getting undisturbed air.
Depends on the design. Most propeller driven aircraft are configured in a tractor configuration (prop pulls the surface it is mounted to). Some are configured in a pusher configuration (common for single engine amphibious aircraft) like the the X/YB-35, and then there are they hybrids which utilize push-pull configurations such as the Cessna 336/337 Skymaster, the B-36 Peacemaker (which uses inboard radials in a pusher config and outboard turbojets in a tractor config though all engines are wing mounted), etc. As for boats, most are configured in a pusher configuration however there are exceptions with some push-pull used on bay ferries and then the weird Voith Schneider Prop design that some tugs and fireboats use…not even touching on azimuth/pod thrusters and the weird places you are beginning to see those.
For a typical airplane, it’s better to put the weight of the engine up front. For a boat, it’s better to have the weight of the engine towards the back.
Lots of good reasons here but an another is that planes have to point the nose up a bit when taking off and landing. With the nose up it means the tail is down and with the prop in the back there is more danger of hitting in on the ground or debris kicked up from the tires. This can be overcome but it’s just easier and more practical to put it up front.
Planes can have props in the front, in the middle at the wings, and in the back.
Similarly many modern ships have props at the front (azipods)
There is no fundamental reason why props need to be in a specific place, it is more a function of convention and practicality with design decisions.
Plane propeller locations can be either in [pusher (back of plane)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pusher_configuration), [tractor (front of plane)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractor_configuration), or [both](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-pull_configuration). There’s engineering tradeoffs for all of those decisions, but of note, the first airplane was a pusher airplane (wright flyer) as are [Reaper drones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-9_Reaper). In general, in an airplane, having a tractor configuration in the front of the plane can be more efficient, in that the air is undisturbed by the aerodynamics of the plane – at the expense of having a heavy object in the front of the plane (and for warplanes, being in the way of cockpit mounted guns).
Boats as others say, benefit from the change in weight distribution for a smaller boat with a rear mounted outboard motor. But you do see bow mounted trolling motors, and very large ships often have many [thrusters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth_thruster).
It really comes down to engineering benefits of engine placement, how you get power from the engine to the propeller, and the turbulence/efficiency of the propeller placement. The purpose and use of a boat or an airplane also factors in. For example, if you need guns, but want a propeller, that will influence positioning. Propellers on wings for planes create drag, and there’s less drag with a center mounted engine.
For most simple purposes, the more efficient place to put a single propeller+motor in a plane is the front, and the most efficient place to put a propeller+motor in a boat is in the back.
Planes are better at flying straight when there’s more weight towards the front. Good place to stick a heavy engine. Might as well do the prop up there close the engine as you need to connect it to the engine.
Boats do a little better when they can skim and glide over the water, instead of trying to push through it. So a nose-up angle helps. The rear end is lower down and the propeller works best underwater.
There are aerodynamic and design considerations that favor pusher style planes with the propeller at the rear.
However this usually required putting the engine in the back and the pilot in front of it, which in a crash landing could cause the pilot to be crushed by the engine.
Keep in mind back when prop planes were still the peak of plane design, wind tunnels were not nearly as common or plentiful so planes had to be developed based on inherited technical know how and painful repeated testing. This lead to a strong bias towards existing designs and concepts. Still planes of this type were developed.
Such as the J7W, which is one of the fastest warplanes to ever make use of propeller based propulsion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W_Shinden
ELI5:
Propellors and engines are heavy and boats are better with weight towards the rear and planes are better with weight towards the front.
More complex:
Your average plane requires its center of gravity to be forwards of its center of pressure. There are cases where this is not completely true like military fighter jets which operate roght on the line between stalling and stable flight with a computer taking care of the many movements required to prevent a stall.
With a boat i guess its safer at the rear qnd more convenient, its also good for planing hulls where the front isnt even in the water.
Not all planes, piaggio p.180 Avanti has rear facing props, and a fair few planes had engines at the back in the 70s/80s but central like all modern planes, the importance of engine placement on planes is particularly due to weight distribution also, a boat is shaped to float so anything at the front wouldn’t work either
For an aircraft to be stable its centre of mass needs to be forward of its centre of drag/lift. As engines are relatively heavy compared with the rest of an aircraft, it is easier to create an aerodynamically stable aircraft that is overall weight efficient with the engine at the front. While a similar stability rule applies to ships, on a ship the engine is a much smaller portion of the total weight, longer prop shafts are more easily tolerated, and having the propeller push water directly across the rudder is very useful for control.
it is worth noting that the engines at the front layout for aircraft only really applies to single engine relatively small aircraft. Multi engine aircraft commonly mount engines on or under the wings, or in the rear.
Aircraft propellers usually last longer if they are ahead of the landing gear, rather than behind them.
When an airplane takes off or lands, sometimes the landing gear kicks up bits of debris from the runway.
All things being equal, back is better for both airplanes and boats, less resistance to newly created movement energy into the air / water. There are some drones and even planes with propellers on the back of the wings for this reason. (Also, don’t forget rockets.)
However placement of engine is the problem. For parallel to ground flying stability, having weight on the front of an airplane is better and so the (heavy) engine is placed there, and then conversely the propeller is put there.
Same can also be said for cars, RWD is “Right” Wheel Drive but weight is not as much of a problem for cars as it is for airplanes and a driveshaft is a good compromise. Plus need the weight in the front for steering anyway.
Preferences in performance characteristics and trade offs, as well as inertia of design conventions.
You can have front, rear, and even mid mounted prop engines for either boats or planes.
Planes operate by lift, the location of the source of proportion affects the flight characteristics, but the type of propulsion whether props, or jets, or even rockets don’t matter. You can find videos of the Air Force test launching a C130 with rocket boosters for a very short runway. While the engines if the plane are front. mounted on the wings, the rockets are mid mounted just behind the wings iirc.
And this is also a useful distinction. For larger cargo and passenger planes, the source of propulsion is usually mounted on the wings, with is close to the center of mass, while the directional controls are usually focus on the tail section. This is to improve stability in flight, but makes the plane less maneuveable. Fighter jets have their jets along the full body, but the thrust comes out the rear of the plane. It gives them a lot more instability, but that instability provides manueverability. There is a trainer plane, called the Fantrainer that has a mid body propeller which was designed to provide similar manueverability to a fighter jet, when jets were new.
For boats you can likewise mount your propulsion anywhere along the body. Boats float, which is they displace more water mass than the mass of the boat. Where and what type of propulsion has to be balanced with the the fact that boats navigate mostly in 2 dimensions, and have to contend with the much greater friction of the hull. Common rowboat the propulsion is mid mounted, Sailbots their propulsion is above the water. Some fishing motors may have a Lower power trolling motor mounted to the front of the boat. Proper design of a boat takes into the forces from propulsion and accounts for the different rotational forces from the fiction, and bouyancy and propulsion forces to keep movement along the plane of the surface. When those aren’t balanced, you can have a boat drive itself underwater, roll over, or even fly into the air (motor racing boats have this problem).
For most boats the tiller is placed in the rear of the boat in a dragging orientation: the “blade” of the tiller extends backward from the direction of travel from the fulcum point it’s source of rotation. This allows a tiller with no other forces to be corrected back to a center position as it balances the flow of water across its two sides. If the blade was leading it’s fulcrum point, it would be unstable and as it stats turning more force would keep it to one side or the other. This applies for planes and boats. You can mount a tiller with a rearblade at the front of the boat. And it works fine. However it’s more likely to get damaged, and you won’t be able to beach the boat without damaging it.
Design Convention really.
Having the engine in the front has some benefits including:
* Better access for Maintenance
* Better airflow for cooling aircooled propeller engined
* Better air intake for turbo props
* easier weight distribution for the conventional aircraft design
* Most Propeller planes used to be [tail draggers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_landing_gear#/media/File:Cessna150taildraggerC-GOCB02.jpg). This would require a high mounted propeller to work for a pusher configuration
* The Engine doesnt lurch forward and crush the passengers in a forward crash. Backwards crashes are very rare in aircraft.
That being said, there are plenty of pusher designs. Some Iconic ones are:
* [Rutan Long EX](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutan_Long-EZ)
* [Piaggio P.180](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piaggio_P.180_Avanti)
* [Icon a5](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICON_A5)
* [Cessna 337 skymaster (push-pull)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_Skymaster)
On a plane, the prop can go on the front or the back.
On a boat, you’re rather have the back of the boat in the water than the front.
🙂
Because propellers on ships are crucial for also steering aside from just propulsion. They’re always located in front of the rudder so that the rudder can deflect the oncoming stream of water. This greatly increases rudder authority and control. On aircraft it’s possible to do either but they mostly affect stability
Because planes need to be PULLED through the air and boats need to be PUSHED through the water.
Depending on the hull design, a boat may lift out of the water (aka planing), in which case, a front mount propeller would not work.
Front propulsion will also make steering less efficient. Rudders are typically mounted at the rear for stability. At higher speed, a front prop will make steering more difficult as it will be a pulling force in one direction while the rudder is apply a turning force in another – turning circle would be wider. At low speed, the a rear prop will pushes water past the rudder which will assist in steering. A front prop cant do this well or at all.
Can I just say, to me, this is a great case example of a question for ELI5. And that is a compliment.
Risk vs. reward. You gotta understand the risks and be willing to live with them. I never understood risk of going on the asphalt.
Easy answer is that the engines are mounted in the front so that the center of balance of the aircraft is also forward. Meaning the nose of the aircraft is heavier than the tail. This configuration keeps the aircraft pointed forward. Think of it like a throwing dart. How well would a throwing dart fly if most of the weight was at the back? It wouldn’t do well. It would flip around and fly backwards.
With the (heavy) engines near the front, the aircraft tends to point in the direction of flight. As others have said, it also contributes to lift in many aircraft. The weight being forward also makes the aircraft tend to nose down if you let go of the controls, which increases velocity and lift, helping it to fly again if for some reason it stalls. This also helps the control surfaces actually work so that the pilot can make corrections. When things start going bad with an aircraft, a good pilot typically pushes the nose down to give him more control.
Boat propellers are at the back of the boat to minimize prop walk. When a boat is in reverse the prop pushes water sideways over the hull of the boat pushing the boat to the side and causing it to turn. Prop walk is only an issue in reverse, but if the prop was mounted to the front you would experience prop walk in forward gear which is the most used.
I don’t believe aircraft have this issue because the wings provide stability.