“Is it okay to reject an Apple offer after already signing it and accepting a better role with a different company? How should I inform them and what are the consequences? #Apple #joboffer #rescindoffer #HR #blacklisted #jobsearch“
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Did you sign something? If so, are there any terms about stepping back?
Likely you can just let them know you have accepted another offer. Be sure the other offer is valid and reliable.
That’s pretty immature and unprofessional after signing an offer.
No wonder companies don’t want to hire graduates.
If you’re in an at-will State, then you’re free to renege.
“After careful consideration I’ve decided to take my career in a different direction and will no longer be joining Apple. I’m rescinding my acceptance of the offer. I apologize for this last minute change, I genuinely appreciated learning about Apple, and the time spent considering me.”
Keep it simple.
This will burn the bridge with Apple though. There’s no such thing as an industry-wide blacklist, but you’ll almost certainly go on an internal-at-Apple blacklist. Reneging is not viewed kindly by employers. Nothing you say will change that.
Look at the reverse. Imagine you accepted Apple’s offer, and then 3 months later they let you know they continued interviewing other candidates, found one better than you, and rescind your offer so they can hire this better person. Would you take that well? Would Apple still be on your list of places you want to work? Or would you be pissed, and avoid Apple at all costs?
What company are you looking to join instead? Apple is a pretty big bridge to burn honestly. It usually pays a little less than other FAANG but has good WLB and generally good stability (compared to other big tech which did way bigger layoffs).
Wow, with companies laying off in tech, I’d secure the best company I can to weather the storm. Can’t get much better than Apple. Even at less pay, to get solid experience.
Who are you considering going with over apple and how much better an offer they giving?
If no money has changed hands and there was no explicit material penalty for not providing a minimum amount of labor then you can just walk away.
>The HRs are particularly aggressive about their offers
Yes, you just need to accept the nature of the industry in this regard and realize a big part of their job role is a kind of sales, i.e. selling the company and role as a concept to you. You owe them nothing even though under capitalism their role as gatekeeper of potential employment makes it feel like you absolutely owe them your life. However you’ve already experienced the truth: there are many, many other recruiters who will vie for your labor.
>Would rescinding my acceptance have major consequences? What about being blacklisted?
This is a common fear but not one most people ever really encounter. Labor blacklisting usually comes from a public angle, like being part of a highly publicized labor dispute or having some viral social media presence that tarnishes your reputation.
The thing to remember is that *they put you through their interview process and deemed you worth making an offer.* The fact that you were able to get another offer at a different company is more evidence to your value within the industry, an industry with very tight labor supply when it comes to competent talent. This is going to be a bit of a rude awakening once you’ve been out of school and inside of industry for a while: so many of your colleagues are mediocre at best. Like, I was not top of my class and I’m no super elite coder, but having worked for different versions of TopTechCompany™ I can tell you that for all their company values about hiring the absolute best, I was underwhelmed by some of my colleagues on the regular.
>How do I tell Apple that I’ll not be joining them?
Just be professional and courteous. They might think you’re just trying to leverage a better offer and come back with a counter offer, which is a sure fire sign they low-balled you to begin with. They might just let you go and wish you luck because they really only want to hire people who are really psyched about working at Apple, in which case you did them the favor by backing out before you even started.
The bottom line is that *it is your labor the company needs, and your labor that is in demand* otherwise you’d not have seen multiple offers. Whenever it suits them these companies will let you go in order to reduce their operational expenses with absolutely no regard to what value you’ve provided them or any personal sacrifices you’ve made. Starting the practice of doing what’s right for you personally is the best start to a career in this industry because when you understand that protecting yourself is your top priority then you will be less likely to put yourself in a position for a company to exploit you to the point of literal disability. The concept of “burnout” in this industry is a very real thing and it has broad consequences to your long term health.
Apple’s pretty sweet, and I get that you might not want to be too specific, but could you share the industry or what makes the new role better?
I did this with Bloomberg years back. I was in an interview loop with Amazon and Google, and they must lose a lot of people to those companies because they gave me an exploding offer. I didn’t have anything else in hand, so I accepted. I then got better offers from both and went with Google and reneged like a week before I was supposed to start.
It was an awkward call with the recruiter, who was pissed, but it’s a professional setting, so it’s not such a big deal. As far as being on a list, I’m not sure. I haven’t reapplied.
The thing is, there are a million companies out there, so I’d go with whatever is best for you. I’ve never regretted my decision with Bloomberg.
Our new grads are disillusioned, not even Apple out of college is satisfying them anymore
If you accepted and signed the offer, then you should take it.
It’s about integrity.
Honestly if you’re willing to reject Apple for this offer anyways, why not address the other offer with them and see what they say? What does better role mean for you? A better title to jump the career ladder? Task work ideally more centered towards what you want to do long term? It’s hard to imagine what could be enticing about choosing a smaller company offering less pay.
Honestly just tell them you have changed your mind but be aware that you will burn that bridge.
You will likely have to build your career significantly before they’d consider you again, so be very sure you want this other job more.
From their perspective, you’ve essentially just wasted tons of people’s time and made them turn down other candidates who they might have also wanted. You’re also potentially setting their project resourcing back. So definitely be ready to burn the bridge and have a reputation there as a flake.
Personally if I had an offer from one of the top companies and at a higher pay, I’d take it over the lower pay one even if it’s a slightly better role. You can always switch roles later on within the company. But burning the bridge is going to be rough.
They won’t do a “blacklist” but they will keep it on file for when you’re next considered because they’ll ask why the previous team passed on you. Knowing that you flaked would put off any future team.
You should take apple over AMD 100% getting a FAANG company on your resume is honestly huge and even if you leave you can say you were ex-apple not so much for AMD even if there is growth opportunity.
The industry is in a lot of trouble right now.
Apple does not lay folks off outside of cancelled projects. There is also very little turnover at Apple. WLB at Apple is also (depending on team) quite good. And once you get in at Apple, assuming you perform well, you can make lateral moves if you ever need a new challenge.
I don’t know your details, but I would suggest you reconsider.
OP, are these two different roles? Is there a specific reason why you would want AMD over Apple?
I think it’s best not to renegade from a big company like Apple, you might regret it in the future. At the end of the day it is your decision though.
You can also stay at Apple for a year then leave. Once you have it on your resume pretty much every recruiter will be contacting you.
It’s not a “better role” if it’s less pay. Titles are free and mean nothing.
Don’t turn down a roll at Apple for less pay and a fancy title at a smaller company.
Many companies resign offer for a whole different array of reasons. You do you and do what’s best for you. Just be polite, thankful for the opportunity and move on
Why would you not take the Apple offer? Especially even since it pays more. Isn’t big tech better than non big tech?
There is no blacklist that Apple would put you on for walking away from their job offer for a better one. Apple is a large organization with recruiters turning over regularly.
Take the job that you will learn the most from and with the most personal growth opportunity.
Make sure you aren’t just getting tricked by the new job. Some of my students have gotten duped by “better roles” only to arrive and have the actual role be different. Could easily end up doing the same work at both companies, but just have less money.
Happy to chat 1-1 about life at Apple if you want some more data points to consider!
fwiw, i enjoyed my time at Apple. i would recommend it. there are very few other companies that are so seriously into r&d. you should reconsider.
that said – if you bail on them – they will be ok :-). don’t worry about it. once you tell them no, they are not going to think about you much.