Β #UnionTrainingConcerns #DebatingUnionOrganizing #WageTheftIssues
Starting a new job and just had some interesting anti-union training. π«π€ Do you think a training program has an anti-union agenda? π€ Here are some points they brought up:
– Unions can trade away things that employees care about to get what they want when bargaining for benefits π€·ββοΈ
– Employees might end up with more, less, or the same benefits as before π°
– Unions are focused on money rather than protecting employees π€¨
– They might try to convince you to sign a card, downplaying its importance π
– The company claims open door policy is enough and that unions could harm employee benefits πͺ
I found the portrayal of unions during bargaining quite odd. π Where can I find reliable resources to learn more about unions and make an informed decision? π€πΌ
I’m pro-union and my job is having wage theft issues with breaks. Considering union organizing but feeling intimidated by the big corporation. π° Any advice or suggestions to navigate this situation? π Let’s empower each other with valuable information and support. πͺπ€
All the rights you have as a worker in America were bought with the blood of union workers, don’t fall for the propoganda. Here’s some info straight from the US gov. https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/labor-unions-and-the-us-economy
Theyβre right in that like everything else, there are trade offs.
American labor relations are weirdly and pointlessly adversarial.
If this is the US it’s illegal. Take a copy and send it to your local democrat senator or congressman.
Would your company have spent time and money on this if it wasn’t to their own benefit?
Why would you ever believe a corporation has your best interest at heart to the point where they make you sit down for a class lol
Nah itβs all to keep you dumb and uninformed and them rich
Dollar General you say?
Fucking hell, they need a Union tomorrow. Or today. Or last week.
Longshore union checking in.
One quick example. Last ship we had, the foreman thought it was going to be a slow one and wasn’t sure if we were going to finish in 8 hours. So they told the port they are paying us for 10 hours.
We finished the ship in 4 hours, we still got paid for 10 hours.
Whatever dollar general is trying to tell you is bullshit.
1. True, to some extent. That’s the nature of collectives; sometimes an individual’s desires aren’t going to line up with the majority.
2. Negotiation is a risk, and it is possible to end up worse off if one overplays one’s hand. A good union will minimize the chance of that happening far more than trying to negotiate individually though.
3. Lol no. This is a lie made up by corpos to try and scare people from unionizing.
4. Signing a card is a big deal; it’s the first step in a unionization effort, and unions scare employers. Employers know they have outsize power over non-unionized employees and anything that will reduce that imbalance scares them because they have less ability to exploit their employees.
5. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Crock of bullshit.
Get yourself a union.
I used to work at a unionized employer as a union employee, member of management, and in labor relations so I’ve seen all sides of it. I’ll try to answer your questions based on my personal experience.
>Unions can trade away things that employees care about to get what the unions wants when bargaining for employee benefits
Mostly true! There is often a lot of drama within unions because different people want different things and union leadership may have an agenda that differs from what you would prefer.
>employees end up with more, less, or the same as what they had before
Somewhat true! Having a union can result in any of those outcomes although the most likely outcome is that you’ll end up with more.
>unions are here to try and get money more than to protect employees
Partially true! Unions can be motivated by money and power, but they do have legal obligations when it comes to protecting employees too.
>unions will try to convince you to sign a card, pretending like it’s not a big deal
Sometimes true!
>we do not need unions because there’s an open door policy, and it can harm the benefits that dollar general gives us
Mixed true/false. This one I can’t answer for you because it depends on a lot of things. There are positives and negatives with having a union. The things listed above are among the negatives. The positives can include things like better compensation and working conditions, but not always.
https://www.nlrb.gov/guidance/key-reference-materials here’s some info straight from the government body that deals with unions
get a union, even most government agencies have unions for eligible employees (eg no supervisory, nobody in hr etc)
>Unions can trade away things that employees care about to get what the unions wants when bargaining for employee benefits
Yes, that’s literally the point of collective bargaining. It bargains for overall issues that are overall meant to be for the benefit of the members. If everyone involved isn’t a clone, this will mean some peoples priorities lose out at the expense of others
>employees end up with more, less, or the same as what they had before
There’s nothing else that you could possibly wind up with other than more, less, or the same
>unions are here to try and get money more than to protect employees
Unions are groups of people. You will find in them the same range of motivations as you do in all other groups of people.
>unions will try to convince you to sign a card, pretending like it’s not a big deal
This is a reference or organizing drives. How they go about it depends on the people – as above, you can expect to find the same range of motivations and methods as you would in any other group trying to get you to agree to something.
>we do not need unions because there’s an open door policy, and it can harm the benefits that dollar general gives us
That’s a judgement call for you personally. If you’re weak, poor performer, and can’t bargain for yourself, a union might be a great way to help you overcome that. If you can, it’ll restrict your abilities to do so.
If you only use one resource, make it one of the direct resources that others are posting. But if you want to learn more about unions, union-busting, and be entertained while you learn those things, I recommend the Unions episode of Last Week Tonight, which cites its sources:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8dUXRpoy8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk8dUXRpoy8)
That, my friend, is propaganda.
Those are all reasons why you need a union
All of that is bullshit. Itβs the equivalent of your cheating spouse telling you that you donβt need an attorney in the divorce even though they have one.
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